Don’t Die With Your Dreams Inside You: The "Live Full, Die Empty" Framework - with Sairan Aqwari

Speaker 0:00

Hello, and welcome to today's episode of Thrive after 45. I'm Denise Drink Walter heart whisperer, midlife mirror and mentor. And every week I am honored to share energy and space with inspiring guests. So stories reflect so many possibilities of thriving beyond 45. Together we'll uncover the whispers of the heart, the power of midlife transformation, and the wisdom that fuels expansion. It is an honor and a privilege to welcome Seran ac. I'm gonna say this right, qua. To our show today. Did I do it?

Speaker 2 0:40

Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 0:44

Crun is a director of engineering and leadership strategist whose experience and expertise has been shaped both by lived experience and more than 30 years of professional leadership. After immigrating from Iraq to the United States, she rebuilt her life and career. From the ground up, developing the resilience, adaptability, and determination that have defined her work ever since Across three decades, S Run has led complex engineering and infrastructure initiatives, managed high stakes projects, and guided cross-functional teams in demanding environments. As she moved into executive leadership, she began mentoring women and emerging leaders. Who wanted to advance with confidence, clarity, and intention. And since 2018, she's built a business focused on helping professionals navigate career and life transitions, supporting them to fully leverage their education, experience and skills without burning out and or starting over through one-on-one, mentoring, speaking, and workshops. Crun has. Directly coach more than 250 professionals and reached thousands more. Her work helps people who feel stuck, overlooked, or uncertain about their next chapter. Gain clarity, make bold decisions, and step into leadership that reflects who they are now. I am so excited about this conversation that we are going to have today because you are speaking directly to the heart and soul of our audience about thriving after 45. So thank you for being here.

Speaker 3 2:30

Thank you. Thank you, Denise, for having me. It's my pleasure.

Speaker 2:32

Oh my gosh. Tell us how you got to where you are today. Give us a little bit of a backstory so we can understand the depth of your experience and what you bring to the table.

Speaker 3 2:45

Yes, thank you. Okay. Um, in general, I feel like, uh, since I was a teenage, I meant to be a teacher or a coach because I always took responsibility to help others around, you know, either teaching them math or just teaching them swimming because I used to be a swimming coach in Iraq, so I, I love

Speaker 3:04

it.

Speaker 3 3:04

Yeah. I always love to take people from point A to point B regardless in technology at work or even in in self-development. So I, I guess I love the teaching part of it, the mentoring part of it, and, uh, what has got me here, it was all by accident. I did not plan to have a business in 2018. I was just doing my job at the authority. I was working full-time. Then after my graduation in 2017, I was all, you know, bumped up. I was like, yay, I can do this. Let's just start my doctoral. So that was a big mistake because you can start your doctoral program right after your master is very exhausting. Right. So I did and I did one semester, and while I was doing my doctoral at the university, the school asked me if I'm willing. Um, talk with the younger engineer who are about to graduate and just tell, talk to them about the reality about women in tech, what they should expect it at the, at, at the workforce. Right. So after I spoke with them, uh, the head of the women in engineering contacted me and she said, uh, oh. The, the, the, the girls loved you. I mean, uh, it was such as a captivating message and they all engage and are you willing to come back and do some workshop as a coach? I did not understand what she said, coach. I was like, yeah, I was coach. She said, no, no, no athlete coach. Because back then in 2017, I thought, coach just apply to someone who teaches soccer or basketball. She said, no. There is another terminology talking about live and business coach. Have you ever checked the ICF? I was like, what is ICF? She said, the International Coaching Federation. Of course she make me curious. And while I doing my doctoral, I end up, uh, I book the exam, I study, and I, I put my doctoral for in the freezer, and it's still in the freezer. I never finish it. So when I start doing those mentoring and workshop and coaching women around, you know. Positive communication, leadership and back message. Uh, I never looked uh back. I never said, oh, I should have just go back and finish my doctoral because that's more effective. So I feel sometimes, uh, Denise, and you know this very well, you are a businesswoman. Life threw you in different path because that's what it's meant for you.

Speaker 2 5:22

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 5:23

So you might get a little bit upset and distracted and you ask the universe why I end up doing this. But there was a reason why you pivot. There was a reason why you direct to that path because. The universe knows that you are more impactful by doing the other things. So it's the rest is history. And here I am. I'm talking with you.

Speaker 5:45

I love it. I love it. Was it hard to put, put your PhD in the freezer or did you make the decision and it was like, no, and you never looked back?

Speaker 3 5:59

It was not easy because that was one of my dream. Yeah, I mean, I wanted to have a, you know, doctoral PhD degree, uh, in engineering because I, I, I wanted to advance my degree and that was one of the reason I moved to United States because I want to have my, uh, degree, uh, grad degree from here. But then I, I knew that I'm still effective with my master degree plus with the help and with the guidance that I give the. Younger generation that's more effective than me just lecturing them about how to build the bridges with all respect to all the PhD degree professional diversity. But I felt like my call or my impact will be better off by coaching them and mentoring them around, you know, self-confidence and how to become a leader and how to thrive in the engineering industry because. In general, I mean, you hear this male dominated word, which I don't like at all. They say, oh, engineering, construction, especially, it's a male dominated, and I always try to correct that. I know sometimes we pick up those word because mm-hmm. We keep saying it on and on. Every, every, uh, career, every thing you do in your life is not dominated by men and women. It's dominated by the people who are competent doing it.

Speaker 2 7:14

Mm.

Speaker 3 7:15

Say, oh, uh, he's a male. Then he will dominate the engineering. Because if you look and, uh, and real life and examples, there's a lot of leadership, women in engineering, in construction, they are dominating the whole market. Because they're able to utilize their expertise and their technical experience and, and leverage it in a leadership. And being a, a, a role model for another other women behind them. So it's, um, it, it was it, not anger, but I was a little bit up upset about myself, like why I dropped it. Uh, that was not right decision, but as I started going and starting building my business and, and I see all the feedback. The testimonial, uh, the people who contact me by email saying, uh, you know, we, we felt so good after the mentorship. We felt so good about your coaching session. We got the courage and, uh, you know, uh, the, the confident to go and apply for promotion or just pivot our career or just start a side business. Mm-hmm. While we have full-time, nine to five, now we have the confidence. And, and, uh, the, the resources as you teach us to start a business. So right now I'm not thinking about it and I don't believe I'll ever go back to school. I feel I'm done with studying.

Speaker 8:35

Yeah.

Speaker 3 8:36

cause I'm already in leadership position now, so I just want to focus more about how to make an impact and how to help other women to thrive in their industry.

Speaker 8:45

Yeah, I love that there's so much depth of possibility when we tap into who we are at the various levels. Isn't there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 8:58

Yes. Yeah. It's you, you'll still question yourself. You're still gonna why I am doing it. And, and I always tell my client, especially the woman, I said, those doubts, I mean, don't give them so much weight. Mm-hmm. It's still gonna be there. Like when the first time I, I spoke at, on, uh, a stage, I mean, I, I spoke a woman in technology. I forgot even to say my name. I was so nervous because I was a good speaker at work. Running, you know, engineering, uh, meeting and using, uh, technology terminology and, you know, using math and equation, all of that, that was no problem. Right? But when I end up being on the stage speaking about women leadership, uh, I become nervous and, and I, and I forgot it's get better. So those doubt, Denise, you know this, you are in the business. Mm-hmm. It will never go away. It will never vanish.

Speaker 9:48

Right.

Speaker 3 9:48

As you age, as you earn more years of experience and the wisdom, those blocks and obstacles, you kind of, you know how to maneuver around them, how to climb it. How to befriended, how to say, oh, I know this obstacle. I've seen it before, and another occasion, right? So I know how to handle it. So when you age and when you have years of experience, I mean, I have over 35 years in engineering. I'm not saying now, I don't see any obstacle. I don't see any problem. To be honest, those problem obstacle, it will stay there.

Speaker 2 10:23

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 10:24

This is how the nature of life, right? It is not a easy, smooth, it's not gonna be linear path, and you're just gonna, you know, go by and nothing will face you, but you will earn the skills and the mastery. For the weather, how to handle it in the best way, and that's what the privilege about aging. Yeah,

Speaker 10:43

absolutely. Absolutely. And I love what you're saying because what's coming up for me is when we don't have those obstacles, we're doing two things. One, we're maybe not growing. Or two, we're maybe not being real with ourselves. We're pretending instead of being honest with ourselves. Would you agree, disagree, add?

Speaker 3 11:09

Totally, totally. I mean, uh, if I'm always comfortable, then what is the, the, what is the thriving need? Right? I'm stagnant, I'm on my space. I mean, if, uh, if you see me in the same place, not just the role or the position of your job, just in, in the, in the human development. Component, like let's say talking for example, about your podcast, if you go back and see your first episode and you compare with the episode you are doing, you see how much progress you made, right? Mm-hmm. Not you are not competing with other hosts, you are not competing with other platform, but you see the progress you make because you refuse to be comfortable. When you are comfortable, the first podcast and said, no, I, I can do better than this. I'm gonna put technology, I'm gonna invent some money. And this, and the on the mind doing more tools. So now when you look back and you compare about episode number 50, it will never look like episode number one. And this is exactly about live event. I mean, when I graduate from engineering. I was not even close to the confident I have now. I was even to, I was scared even to speak up at engineering meeting. I thought if I speak up, they will punish me and I have just have to stay quiet. Uh, beside, you know, uh, the, the where the exit close and, you know, on the door. Yes. Second row, never on the table. Never using my hands, never have a voice or, or, or, or, you know, opinion about anything. But as you go. Um, you learn how to, to, to leverage those skills to be a better, better. Mm-hmm. So, yeah.

Speaker 12:44

Yeah. I love that. I love that. And you do this as the underpinning and the foundation of our show for you by you because of you, you don't do it for external reasons. You do it because it's what is coming up for you to be able to grow and expand and continue to learn. Right.

Speaker 3 13:05

Yeah, I mean, I, I always say, I, I always tell the woman when they, and, and when they tell me, oh, I can't start a business, or I can't pivot my career because I'm old. And when I ask them, how old are you? She said, oh, 52, or they said like, mid 50. I said, if that's old, then what is 80 and 90? People call themselves old nowadays. You have to refuse that because, uh, you, you know this very well. You are old when you stop dreaming. You are old. When you stop innovating, especially for engineers, I always tell the woman in tech, I said, if you don't have good ideas to solve the problem, then you are getting old because you are not using your brain.

Speaker 13:44

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love that you're getting old because you're not using your brain. Yeah,

Speaker 3 13:50

yeah.

Speaker 13:50

Right. I love that. I love that. You talk a lot about helping people who are fields who are feeling stuck or being overlooked for positions or advancement. This is very common in our, particularly women in midlife years. What types of things will help us get past those? I'm gonna call them issues, for lack of a better term.

Speaker 3 14:25

Yes. Again, those blocks and obstacle will always stay there, especially when you get older. For women, and I'm gonna talk about women and tech in general. Yeah. They stop, they stop. Uh, the, the thriving mode. When they hit the 50, they feel like this is a time just to think about retirement. I'm in my 50, why I should change my job. Well, I'm in my mid 50. I just changed my job after 14 years. I was comfortable, I was making good money. I worked for the authority. And, uh, many people, including my own family, they tell me why you need to change your job. Well, because it's become very easy. Mm-hmm. Uh, I, like, I am not growing, I'm not adding anything on the table. I am not leaving any impact. Mm-hmm. So I started applying and it was not easy.

Speaker 2 15:15

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 15:15

Because the age is a factor. Yeah. You, they, some company, they cannot even afford your salary because they know you have the 30 experience, 35, you know, experience. They know that you'll never start with them mid, you know, mid

Speaker 15:31

right.

Speaker 3 15:31

Mid salary. Right. So you're gonna negotiate with them about their packaging and all of that.

Speaker 2 15:35

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 15:36

But I refuse to give up. Mm-hmm. And to go back to your question, what, what's my advice for women who's in my age? And I'll speak up, you know, from my own experience.

Speaker 15:46

Of course,

Speaker 3 15:46

I refuse to give up. I mean, you'll fail when you give up. That's, that's the last line, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, you are considered failure if you, if you decide to give up. And I refuse to give up. I was like, no, I'm gonna be against the odd, if they tell me mid 50 is late, I'm gonna show them what, what is, and I won. I won the role and I, I become a director and I'm very happy about my new job. I just started. And not because I'm a better than others, no. There's other who are way more qualified than me. They have more credential. They have more degree.

Speaker 2 16:25

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 16:26

They give up. They decided to give up because they said, no, that's not for me. I'm in my 50. I'm aging. I should just think about the retirement cake. I don't even eat cake, so I don't want to think about the retirement cake. So I was like, no, I don't eat cake. I don't want the retirement cake, so let me just apply for something else. And also in your 50 Denise, you know that? Mm-hmm. I mean, the beginning of your life, you navigate, you start a family, you raise kids. Help your parents. They become older or your in-laws. When you have that 50, that should be the rest of your life, you have to own that the other half of your life in your mid, that's your prime. That's the time that you really need to do things that align with your soul. Yes. If there is no alignment after 50, that's mean you are losing the other half of your life. Well, you can be harsh on yourself and your 30, or when you are 29 or you are even 40, you said, oh, I'm not successful because I am not in leadership or I don't have a site business. Or, you still building your family. You're still part of your son and daughter. You know, your chaperone. You, you, you, you take them to the doctor you involve in their activity and their sport. Yeah, that's okay. But when you get that 50, by then, your kids are grown. Right? They have their own friend. They go out. So you have to clean that age. Yeah. You have to come back and ask yourself, I, I've done everything I could. I be, I'm a good wife, I'm a good sister, I'm a good friend. Mm-hmm. I've done all my duties. I pay the bills. Right.

Speaker 18:03

Yeah.

Speaker 3 18:03

Now it's time for me. I have to Exactly. What I can do, I think about all the dreams, all the things that it's looked impossible in my 20 and 30 and 40, and I'll make it possible in my fifties.

Speaker 18:20

Exactly, and thank you for bringing that up because that's something that gets lost over time is our dreams and it's one of the things that I think is really imperative, particularly in midlife.'cause you've talked so eloquently about your stages in ages in life. Have required you to be present in different ways, and now you get to be present for yourself because those demands and those, um, tethers that have kept you where you were along the trajectory you were on. Needed to be there because you were fulfilling other parts of your life that needed to be done before you came to where you are now, right? Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I love what you're saying. Giving back to you. Nobody else can do it. Yeah, it's, it's your game now. And when you step into that realization that I had, um, a conversation, I actually dropped this Thursday, um, as we're recording. So it was, it'll be dropped in in February, but it's, um, Andy's ak and he talked about getting out a, um, a tape measure. And on average, look at how on average women live, 80, 85, let's just put that number out there. And every inch is a year. So you put where your age is on that, on that tape measure, and that's how much you've lived and this is how much quote unquote you have kind of left and it really whoa. Made me go. Yeah, seeing that visually was really great because it really. Helped me get that foundation. Yes, it is my time and there's nothing wrong with that because I get to give back to me now and why not?

Speaker 3 20:13

Totally. And there's great example around us. You'll see a lot of, uh, author who made the best book in Amazon. They are in their 80. And they said, yeah, when you ask her, she said, this is my first book. And like, what's happened? She said, I was in corporate America. I was making good money. I raised my kids. They are married now. I decided to write my first book and I'm 79 or 80. There is nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 20:36

No.

Speaker 3 20:37

What's wrong is to take those three with you to the grave because that would be very sad. And um, I always remember. Something Les Brown told me. I was in a, I was privileged to have a summit with Les Brown, legendary Les Brown.

Speaker 20:50

Wow.

Speaker 3 20:52

I mean, he's in his 80 and he's still speaking full time.

Speaker 20:54

Yeah.

Speaker 3 20:55

Who's better than him to speak and, and come across this point with his audience when he talked about how you live your life full, he keeps saying, live life full and die empty.

Speaker 2 21:07

Mm.

Speaker 3 21:07

And thinking about it, he's right. We should live this life full. We should do everything we want. If, if you don't know how to swim, learn swimming. If you want to speak another language, take courses and speak another language. Uh, all those skills will take the, the dementia away because you are practicing your brain. You are doing something that's, it's, uh, out of the ordinary. It's not a routine. Mm-hmm. So the brain will never vanish the brain. The brain will still active. It is like doing exercise. Right. So when you do those new things, I mean, look at, like I said, Les Brown, he still speak full-time and he's in his 80 because he's still giving, he's still living in impact. So those things are very important because you are making your life full. Mm-hmm. Again, it's not, uh, it's not a, when I say full, it is not like a full calendar or you always are busy doing something full, meaning like really impactful task. Things that really. Bringing joy to you first.

Speaker 2 22:09

Yeah.

Speaker 3 22:09

And also benefit to others. And what is a, what is a better time that when you're done with everything, with, with your job and with raising kids, just to do something that you really, uh, really love. Mm-hmm. And I always, uh, tell my client, I said, if you feel your side business, if you love your job, great. Continue doing nine to five. Nothing wrong with that. I'm doing five and I'm doing a side business. Mm-hmm. But if you, that side business is not talking with your soul and is No, there is no joy. Yeah. That is not meant for you. Yeah. Just don't do it.

Speaker 22:48

Yeah.

Speaker 3 22:49

cause uh, you know, business is brutal. I mean, if you are not gonna make money the first six months. If you are not willing to take the loss and you know, up and down and you make money, maybe six months, then nothing will happen for another six months. You just have to be willing to learn and move on.

Speaker 23:07

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the full.

Speaker 3 23:11

Yeah,

Speaker 23:11

I really, yeah, I really appreciated how you got into the depth of that'cause that, that really resonates in terms of full in your soul, right, full for you, not the calendar.'cause we know all about the calendar and being busy. Yeah, I, I hear it all the time. I'm retired and I haven't been busier since I've been retired. I'm like, are you happy? Doesn't matter about busy. Are you happy? Right.

Speaker 3 23:38

Exactly. Are you happy? Are you having joy? It doesn't matter. You are meeting three client. If you are miserable and stressed at the end of the day, don't meet anyone. Some days I, I come back from work and I just open the fireplace and I just sit down for fireplace just to reconnect and reflect about my day. I don't do anything. I don't even change the clothes until an another hour.

Speaker 23:59

Yeah.

Speaker 3 23:59

You don't have to be one task to another. I mean, uh, I, I remember Jeff Bezo, uh, um, he said once, he said, if your day, if your day, uh, contain of completing three major tasks, that's mean a great day. And that's Jeff Bezo. If you can do three tasks, he, he didn't say 13. He didn't say three. Yeah,

Speaker 24:21

yeah.

Speaker 3 24:21

Only three tasks, because when you do those three tasks in a, in, in a hundred percent energy, you will give. Give it all to that task. Right? So it's come out all a great outcome, but if you do 15 things, you are giving a, a short percentage to each one of them. And that's not good, right?

Speaker 24:39

Yeah.

Speaker 3 24:39

Yeah. I mean, like, let's say for example, if I plan, um, to go with my friend to the mall, uh, just for shopping clothes and stuff, and having a dinner, yeah. That day should be just me and my friend. I should not take a a phone call from work or for my business and just telling my friend, oh, give me 30 minutes. I'm ruining that day.

Speaker 25:00

Yeah, yeah. Because

Speaker 3 25:01

I'm not giving her my full energy. I'm not giving her my full attention.

Speaker 25:05

Yeah.

Speaker 3 25:06

So when I do this with my friend, when I go home. Fully with her. I have the joy. I had a great time, and also I will not feel the guilt. And the next day when I go to work, I'm fully energized. I bought new clothes, which I love. I had a good lunch or dinner with her,

Speaker 25:22

right?

Speaker 3 25:22

So I, I integrate both. Yeah. I have a fun day so I can do,

Speaker 25:28

yeah,

Speaker 3 25:29

work day. So like, you know, when they say work hard and play hard, like when you are at work, just work and when you just play.

Speaker 25:36

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I'm thinking of quality over quantity.

Speaker 3 25:41

Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 25:42

Right. Really and being present. Right? Yeah. Be in the room. When you're in the room. Be in the room. Yes. No matter where you are and what you're doing. And if you can't commit a hundred percent. And don't commit at all. That's what my dad used to say.

Speaker 3 25:56

It's a good advice. I mean, you rather not to be in that room if that room doesn't belong to you. If you are not adding any value to that room, and if that room gonna exhaust you to sleep. Yeah.

Speaker 26:08

Yeah. Very good, very good. How can women leverage their experience and wisdom after 45 to create their most powerful and fulfilling chapter yet? I.

Speaker 3 26:24

Great question and, and I get to ask this when people ask me, what do you mean about finding discovering Hidden Gem after 50? What is that hidden gem? What is that hidden talent? And you will see it in a lot of women who work 25, 30, 35 years in corporate. Let's say a woman in Edge off, she was one of my client and she'd done her time. She retired and, and she came back. She said, I want to hire you so you can help me. How to have a side business, how to start a side business. So she was in human resources, she was always building team, mentoring, you know, employee and, and involved with the leadership. And she told me that always people compliment her about. She's very approachable. She, she always read the unspoken needs. She always had good relationship with people and building rapport with the employee. And I said, have you ever, uh, thought about coaching? Yeah. And she said, where I retired, I don't know. Should I do this online? I said, yeah, you don't need an office. All you need just a branding, and you just. Out there, you have 25 years being, and human resources, so coaching, mentoring, they all have similar, uh, line over there.

Speaker 2 27:32

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 27:32

And she was hesitating at the beginning, going back to your question, because we feel that a degree is only used for nine to five jobs. And my job here, my expertise, that's what I do for a living. To convince my client that their degree is not to nine to five job. Mm-hmm. They can utilize and leverage that degree for site business as well. Or just being a consultant. I'm not asking to have an office and hire 50 people. No. Mm-hmm. So going back to that client who was an ET hr, she's doing so well, matter of fact, she's competing with me now. I was like, you know, the student become better than the teacher, right. And I'm very happy because it's such a great testimonial that when your client's scared to even start in, they're 50 to starting an online coaching business. And here she is doing great and coaching leadership and big company. I'm so proud of her because at the beginning she thought that her degree in HR is just for her nine to five,

Speaker 28:36

right? And

Speaker 3 28:36

so when you hit that 45, 50 55, that's not the eng, that's not the, uh, the, the end of the chapter. That's actually the beginning. Right. It's, it's not a waiting room. That's, that's midlife is not a waiting room. It's, it's a new frontier. Yeah. A new frontier for you. You have to really be courageous and say, I'm having the tenacity. I'm just gonna go after what I do. Mm-hmm. In my period for it. Mm-hmm. And that's apply to any, any skills or any degree, uh, finance law, uh, medicine. There's people you see that they. They spend years very stressful job and, uh, whatever the job is, finance. Mm-hmm. Engineering, you know, uh, medical. And when you sit down with them and you speak, they speak very well.

Speaker 2 29:26

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 29:27

They end up being speaker after recovery. There's nothing wrong with that. So what they did, they leverage their message, right? Leverage their speaking talent to be on the stage and share their live experience with others. And that's worth a lot.

Speaker 29:43

Yeah.

Speaker 3 29:43

But when you tell that person when they retire, oh, you are in medical, uh, you should not be a speaker. No, they speak very well. You have to encourage them. They say, Hey. Although you retire, do you ever thought about being part of the community association? Speak on stage and you see that they love it after they're 50 because they are doing something that they never practiced before. Right? Because they were doing the night to five job. So a degree is something, yes, you hang on the wall, you are proud of four years master, whatever. Mm-hmm. But that degree also can help you

Speaker 30:16

mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 30:17

To, to bring other skills to the service and, and, and make it work for your benefit.

Speaker 30:23

Love that. Love that. The hidden gems that are deep within all of us. And it's just taking the time and reaching out to say, run and saying, Hey, can you help me figure out what my gem is? Because sometimes it's a, it's some conversations that help dig down and uncover that, because sometimes we're so blind to what it is that we're really good at. Right?

Speaker 3 30:47

Yeah, totally. I was actually inspired by, uh. Couple of author, uh, Jack Canfield and Robert Green. Yeah. Who's better than those two? Talking about those live tasks or, or like, core genius. And I think, uh, Jack Canfield have it in his book, the Principle Success. He talk about a lot of people they born, maybe they born with it, but also they take the, the, the, the, uh, the courage to keep working on that skill. So you see someone who's a best golfer, he was not the best golfer when he started. He keep practicing the fir the best speaker. He was not the best speaker the first time. So it's a matter of you putting the effort and the commandment if you really want to be that person. It's, um, and I think Robert Green also talked about it in the Mastery Book. It is like you, you put so many hours into it until you become the black belt on those things. Right. And I always remember what, um, j um, Jackie Shan was talking about the kick. He's like, don't be scared from someone. Who, uh, uh, do the kick 10,000 time be scared from that person who do the same kick 10,000 time.

Speaker 2 31:58

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 32:00

That same kick 10,000 time, you become expert, you become master. That apply to any skill, apply to writing, apply to speaking, apply to, uh, any other things to business, right?

Speaker 32:13

Yeah.

Speaker 3 32:13

Yeah. The best first things, it's always, uh, vague and muddy, right?

Speaker 32:18

Yep. Yep.

Speaker 3 32:19

Figure out why I am doing this. As you go, you jump to the experience. You figure out things as you go. Yeah.

Speaker 32:26

Love that. Love that. And thank you so much for this incredible conversation today. Is there anything that you'd love to share with our audience before we close for today's conversation?

Speaker 3 32:40

Thank you very much for having me and trusting be part of your wonderful platform. I, I enjoy being here and for the audience. I mean, if you are 30, 40, 50, 60, it doesn't matter any age if you want to do anything. My only advice to you, just start right now, right after you hear this podcast, because if you're gonna. Wait for the the time that you are totally ready. That time will never come. There's always be something in front of you to take care of. So if you have that dream and you really, really want to make that dream a reality, start the first things because, uh, action will, will feed your will. Feed your confident. The confident will never come first, the action, right? So take the first action and, and keep doing Don't, don't give up. For the sake of your audience, if they are willing to have a complimentary session with me, I'll give them 15 minutes complimentary session and both.

Speaker 33:41

Wonderful.

Speaker 3 33:42

Three minutes on both. Yeah.

Speaker 33:44

Thank you so much. We'll make sure that gets into the show notes so that people can, can sign up for that. Thank you so much for offering that. That's wonderful. Yeah. Before we close, I want to share something very gently. I am currently stewarding the early formation of a live in-person experience called Ignite the Inner Uprising, and it's being creative for women in midlife who feel the quiet. Pull towards something more truthful, more embodied, more their own. It isn't an event that I'm rushing or loudly promoting. It's being built really slowly with care and deep respect for the women in midlife who it's meant to serve. So if your body leaned in. At any point during our conversation today, if something resonated here beyond just the words, I want you to know that there will be a place to gather, but for now, simply stay connected. Follow share. Like give us your reviews so that more women can find us, and when the timing is right, you will hear more about Ignite the inner uprising. Thank you again, say Ron, for being here with us today. Have a wonderful day, everyone, and make sure you thrive after 45.